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    Color management problem

    Hello !
    I have a problem with my color calibration ... especially with the gray ...
    I print a lot of cad plans, regularly with gray surface, but i 'm not happy with the results ...

    I have an xrite 1one, with i1profiler. i made a chart that i print with adobe color printer utility with no color management option (canon ipf 8400se) but the results are too red at my eyes ... i can fine tune with the printer option but it's not normal ...

    Are i'm making a mistake during the calibration ?
    Thanks

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    What kind of paper are you using? Ever tried Chromix Curve4 for gray calibration?

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    It's a canon coated paper 90gr.

    Didn't have chromix, do you have a dl link perhaps ??

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by ikevlo View Post
    It's a canon coated paper 90gr.

    Didn't have chromix, do you have a dl link perhaps ??

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    Actually, if it's coated paper you are simply doing the calibration wrong...

    No need to download another software.

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    Yes and ? what do i wrong ?

    scan the target right to left and left to right on scan slide tablet, it's not difficult, what can i do wrong ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ikevlo View Post
    Yes and ? what do i wrong ?

    scan the target right to left and left to right on scan slide tablet, it's not difficult, what can i do wrong ?
    LOL! if it were so easy all color experts would lose their jobs!

    there are so many things to take into account:

    do you have rgb or cmyk workflow?
    do you use a rip?
    what color space has your print data?
    how about the advanced settings during profile generation?
    which rendering intent do you use?
    what is your simulated colorspace?

    color profiling is NOT a "one click and you are done" task!

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    The test chart do you have printed was in RGB or CMYB?

    best

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    Ok ok,
    The test chart is in rgb.

    I don't have the budget for a rip ...
    I print with adobe, pdf x-change, photoshop ...
    I will check the advanced settings, i don't saw that there where advanced settings :(

    which rendering intent do you use?
    Relative when in can choose

    what is your simulated colorspace?
    I don't understand the question

    do you have rgb or cmyk workflow?
    what color space has your print data?
    To be clear my principal customers are students, and they don't know anything about colorspace, they can work in cmyk or srgb ...
    They come with their file, and they must be back at school 10 minutes later with the plan.

    Sorry i feel a bit stupid, but it's better to look stupid and learn things ...

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    Print from Photoshop CS5

    Open TIFF RGB (being out of profile is considered in the RGB workbook of Photoshop).
    Assigning sRGB (if the RGB work colorspace is sRGB you do not have to assign it, but if we assign it we are safer).
    Give the print command and set it
    Color management performed by Photoshop
    SRGB Printer Profile (this way Photoshop will not make any conversion because the image and printer have the same profile and will forward the embedded profile)
    Colorimetric intent: relative without compensation, but I think it is irrelevant
    Go to the print settings
    Color Matching is all gray because Photoshop has somehow alerted the system to have done it all.
    Print Settings: Set the paper and the type of print (for example, Epson Premium Glossy, Advanced Mode, Low Speed).
    This procedure prints a test chart with sRGB as the source profile (because the source profile did not arrive in the queue and sRGB is the default) and sRGB as the printer profile.
    After printed test chart in this way you read it with i1profiler and eyeone and create the profile color for your device.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ikevlo View Post
    Ok ok,
    The test chart is in rgb.

    I don't have the budget for a rip ...
    I print with adobe, pdf x-change, photoshop ...
    I will check the advanced settings, i don't saw that there where advanced settings :(


    Relative when in can choose


    I don't understand the question


    To be clear my principal customers are students, and they don't know anything about colorspace, they can work in cmyk or srgb ...
    They come with their file, and they must be back at school 10 minutes later with the plan.

    Sorry i feel a bit stupid, but it's better to look stupid and learn things ...
    to put it all together:

    you have no budget, you have no skills and you dont have any standards for print data.
    but you want perfect print results for free???

    forget about it!

    there is a reason why quality has its special price!

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    Quote Originally Posted by spider View Post
    to put it all together:

    you have no budget, you have no skills and you dont have any standards for print data.
    but you want perfect print results for free???

    forget about it!

    there is a reason why quality has its special price!
    You have all that you need:
    i1profiler + Eyeone, Photoshop and a printer.
    You have only to do a good printer profile for you device.

    best

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    Quote Originally Posted by arteteca View Post
    You have all that you need:
    i1profiler + Eyeone, Photoshop and a printer.
    You have only to do a good printer profile for you device.

    best
    oh, i see!

    of course photoshop is the best printing software for vector graphics.

    and all people who spend some thousand dollars for a professional rip software are dumb asses and could have thrown their money out of the window as well!

    and, let me think...

    ah, yes! spending some thousand dollars for a high quality ink jet is waste of money!

    you will get the same good results from a 50 dollar desktop printer of course too!

    and please, please! dont forget to buy the cheapest printing paper you can get.
    all high value stocks are rip off only!

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    Quote Originally Posted by spider View Post
    oh, i see!

    of course photoshop is the best printing software for vector graphics.

    and all people who spend some thousand dollars for a professional rip software are dumb asses and could have thrown their money out of the window as well!

    and, let me think...

    ah, yes! spending some thousand dollars for a high quality ink jet is waste of money!

    you will get the same good results from a 50 dollar desktop printer of course too!


    and please, please! dont forget to buy the cheapest printing paper you can get.
    all high value stocks are rip off only!
    To make a good color profile you don't need a rip as just told before he has all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by arteteca View Post
    To make a good color profile you don't need a rip as just told before he has all!
    You can have a printer of one dollar or one of thousand the way to do a color profile is always the same.......

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    Thanks Arteca, i used adobe color printer utility that in fact equals/replace the procedure in photoshop but i will try it.

    Spider, I don't understand the animosity ?
    I don't want perfect print results... i want acceptable gray, the most neutral possible and that's all ...

    I'm a little business, i put budget in what's worth it for me (in things that let me earn money), i'm not an expert in color at all but i think i have certain skills very usefull in what i do, why be so rude ...

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